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"SBS" Transcript of Datline, Australia
Since September 11, we've all become uncomfortably familiar with names like
Guantanamo Bay, Abu Ghraib, Fallujah and maybe even Bagram in Afghanistan. They're
all places we now associate with human rights violations or worse - military
atrocities and possibly potential war crimes. But after our first story tonight,
you can add another placename to that list - Gonbaz in southern Afghanistan,
about a 100km from the former Taliban stronghold of Kandahar.
In recent months, the former Muslim extremist Taliban and their al-Qa'ida allies
have launched more attacks against US forces than at any time since the Americans
first invaded in 2001. Earlier this month, Dateline's John Martinkus was in
Afghanistan to cover their elections, but his story tonight actually starts
with some startling footage from another Australian, photojournalist Stephen
Dupont, who, while he was embedded with the Americans, managed to record some
of the grotesque tactics being used by Australia's allies in that part of the
world. Dateline should warn you that this report does include some pretty disturbing
scenes, particularly for any Muslim viewers.
REPORTER: John Martinkus
This is how the Americans are now fighting in Afghanistan - loaded
up with guns and loud music. The racks of speakers on top of this Humvee are
a bizarre weapon dreamt up by the army's PsyOps unit - experts in psychological
warfare.
The idea is that the music will flush the Taliban out of their hiding
places in the mountains. The Taliban banned music when they ruled Afghanistan
so these troops are hoping that the sound of Fleetwood Mac will provoke them
into an attack.
No-one can say if the music is having the desired effect but the Afghan
special forces, travelling with the Americans seem to appreciate it.
SOLDIER: Pull people out, search their house looking for weapons obviously,
and for anything that indicates that they're responsible for tonight's attack.
A few hours ago there was an ambush near here. One American and one
Afghan army soldier have been killed. Two Taliban have also been shot dead.
These soldiers have been sent to the village of Gonbaz to find those involved
in the attack.
SOLDIER: Just go ahead and supervise the search, I want to talk to this
guy. How you doing? My name is Lieutenant Nelson. We apologise for the... sorry
for the interruption. We want to make it safe for these guys.
All the soldiers in this unit have served in Iraq. The endless searches
and interrogations are familiar work for an army used to occupation.
SOLDIER: He's very upset. We're not the kind of soldiers who want to come
through and arrest a bunch of people and raid their houses.
As the level of attacks by insurgents has risen in southern and eastern
Afghanistan, killing 1,400 people in the last six months, the main problem has
become finding the enemy.
SOLDIER: This guy was sitting right out the front here watching us.
The soldiers look for weapons but the search is frustrating and ultimately
pointless.
SOLDIER: You know what that is? I can tell you what is right now - that's
a battery pack made to power that radio. That's all it is. Some shit he put
together because he couldn't find the parts.
Many attacks are the result of crude, home-made bombs, which the army
calls improvised explosive devices or IEDs. Anything with batteries is potentially
dangerous.
SOLDIER: That is enough juice, by the way, ..to set something off. That's
enough juice, yeah. One of those is...you only need - you know the 55-90 Yeah.
You know after a 55-90 is dead and unusable, it still got enough juice to set
off an IED. We found this bad boy, so we're kind of oh, oh...
Eventually two of the villagers are bound and questioned before the
troops leave to camp nearby. The next morning, anti-Taliban propaganda messages
are read out over the loudspeakers.
LOUDSPEAKERS (Translation): When you look at them, these men, they are
the servants of Pakistan and slaves to the Punjabis.
SOLDIER: Tell them to stop right there. Hey, John, tell them to stop right
there. Tell him to stop. Bus! Bus, bus, bus. Tell him we're going to come to
them.
Two civilians wounded in the previous night's attack are brought in
seeking treatment.
SOLDIER: Is this one of the guys that was wounded last night? Can you bring
my aid bag over, somebody? It's sitting right on the top of my truck.
MAN (Translation): I was providing for my children. I was working. In the
afternoon, before sunset.
MAN 2 (Translation): The evening prayer wasn't finished. That's when he
was shot.
SOLDIER (Translation): Which side? Did the Americans shoot him?
MAN 2 (Translation): Yes, it was the Americans. He never thought the Americans
would shoot civilians. They didn't differentiate between enemy and civilians.
SOLDIER: That definitely looks like our work, huh? Looks like shrapnel
wounds.
The man's son is also hurt, cut by shrapnel. The soldiers admit they're
responsible for the injuries but no-one seems too concerned.
SOLDIER: It looks like the bullet actually cut and grazed him. It doesn't
feel like the bullet is in.
Civilian casualties in this war are common when the only way to distinguish
the enemy from the population is whether they are shooting at you or not.
SOLDIER: It doesn't actually feel too bad. It's OK, just got to look at
his leg, OK?
A helicopter is later called in to evacuate them to the base hospital.
The troops head back to the village of Gonbaz trying to find the endlessly elusive
enemy. There's nothing subtle about their approach.
The soldiers terrify this old man in the mosque.
SOLDIER: Tell him I'm sorry about the way we came in, but I called to see
if there was anyone there, you know.
Interrogations continue in an attempt to find those in the village
who are associated with the militants.
SOLDIER: That's OK. If you can give us that information, we can actually
reward you. If you can give us that information, you will be doing a lot to
help the people around here who are innocent and shouldn’t be arrested.
Because I am trying to do what I can right now, to find the bad guys because
we don't want to end up having to punish everyone.
VILLAGER (Translation): I have no knowledge of the Taliban themselves.
I do not know the person who reports to the Taliban in this village or who from
the Taliban side is asking about the Americans.
SOLDIER: I just have one more question for him. You just tell him, that
it's really important that you help me, 'cause I'll say it again. What my commander
wants to do with all the forces in this whole area is round up everyone in this
town since no-one is helping us and nobody is turning over the people in this
village who actually are part of the attack. So I'm gonna be leaving in about
five minutes this is going to be your last chance to try to help yourself.
At the top of the hills above the village the soldiers have taken the
tactics of psychological warfare to a grotesque and disturbing extreme. US soldiers
have set fire to the bodies of the two Taliban killed the night before. The
burning of the corpses and the fact that they've been laid out facing Mecca
is a deliberate desecration of Muslim beliefs.
SOLDIER: Wow, look at the blood coming out of the mouth on that one, fucking
straight death metal.
PsyOps specialist Sergeant Jim Baker then broadcast an inflammatory
message over the loudspeakers in order to taunt and bait the enemy.
SGT JIM BAKER Attention, Taliban, you are all cowardly dogs. You allowed
your fighters to be laid down facing west and burned. You are too scared to
come down and retrieve their bodies. This just proves you are the lady boys
we always believed you to be.
SOLDIER 2: The first message we sent was - Attention, Mullah Tahir, Mullah
Sadar, Mullah Kairadullah, Mullah Abdullah Khan and other Taliban, we know who
you are. Your time in Afghanistan is short. You attack and run away like women.
You call yourself Talibs but you are a disgrace to the Muslim religion and you
bring shame upon your family. Come and fight like men instead of the cowardly
dogs you are. And the second one. Attention Mullah Tahiir and other Taliban
fighters, we have you surrounded, there is no way for you to escape. Come down
from the mountains now and you will not be harmed. We will give you food and
cold water. If you persist and stay in the mountains it will become your graveyard.
The soldiers say they're burning the bodies for hygiene purposes but
out here, far away from the village, this appears to make no sense.
These soldiers have clearly been trained to denigrate and enrage Muslims. Such
blatant disrespect for the corpses of their enemy is a breach of the Geneva
Convention. It also heightens the perception of local people that the Americans
are just as barbarous as the Taliban say they are.
Australian troops operate out of the same army base and in the eyes of the locals,
as members of the same coalition, there is no distinction between American and
Australian forces.
This is what happened in Afghanistan the last time American soldiers were accused
of mocking Islam. In May this year, reports that the Koran had been desecrated
in Guantanamo Bay sparked unrest in the eastern city of Jalalabad. Rioters forced
the foreign aid community to flee and destroyed their offices and vehicles.
Now I'm on my way to that same city, Jalalabad, home to Afghanistan's deeply
conservative Pashtun majority. Parliamentary elections are due to be held here
soon - the first in 36 years - and foreign aid workers have again left the city,
fearing a repeat of the violence. I want to find out more about how the ongoing
war is affecting Afghanistan's fragile democracy.
Strangely enough, I come across an Afghan-Australian, Dr Farooq Mirranay, running
for election in Jalalabad. He's returned after 17 years of exile to help rebuild
his country. At a campaign rally, he attacks the tribal warlords who remain
the real powerbrokers here.
DR FAROOQ MIRRANAY SPEECH (Translation): These people have been unfaithful
to Afghanistan. Their mission is to change the direction of the democracy. They
want to make a mess of our good and proper election process and to give it a
bad name.
In the vacuum following the fall of the Taliban, many warlords are
trying to use this election to consolidate their power.
MIRRANAY SPEECH (Translation): You will have to be very cautious, my dear
friends. Here we have many candidates who would like to upset the voting process.
They're standing after being bribed by others, wanting to divide the votes of
the villages and districts.
Haji Zaman is a leader in nearby Tora Bora. He sided with the US in
2001 when it came looking for Osama bin Laden, and now he's backing Mirranay.
HAJI ZAMAN (Translation): Those Taliban act in the name of al-Qa'ida and
maybe under other opposition forces too. But let me stress one thing for you
- if the locals defend their country, no-one will interfere.
But Haji Zaman is also critical of the Americans, accusing them of
harassing innocent civilians in their search for the militants.
HAJI ZAMAN (Translation): In our country, certain people are in conflict
with each other and they tip them off to the foreigners and the intelligence.
The foreigners raid their houses following baseless reports and they find nothing
- no arms, no al-Qa'ida, no narcotics, nothing.
Even with the support of leaders like Haji Zaman, Mirranay can't take
any chances. He's cancelled his program to campaign in areas like Tora Bora
after another candidate, Safia Siddiqi, was attacked.
SAFIA SIDDIQI: My bodyguard and also the driver, they were in the front.
When they first shoot, my bodyguard said...asked the driver, "Please stop,
please stop," because, you know, it was a very small way, we couldn't move
faster and we had to stop there. Then, first...after that my brother and me,
we just lay down, first on the seat then after the dd-dd-dd - when they start
shooting and firing, then we just lay down on the floor. I was on the ground
and my brother was just on top of me and he said, "Safia, please, I want
you...please I want you don't lose yourself. And if you are dying, I'm dying
with you." It was really terrible.
The attacks on candidates have drastically curtailed the campaign.
Few are now prepared to travel outside the provincial capital.
MIRRANAY: I received a call from my HQ in Kabul and they said, "You
are not allowed to go to the village because security situation is not good."
REPORTER: Who do you think is behind the threats against you?
MIRRANAY: Actually I think it's... Most people know we have al-Qa'ida,
Taliban, Hezb-i-Islami. And Pakistan, our neighbouring country, really don't
want peace in Afghanistan.
Brigadier Abdul Ghafour, the main police spokesman in Jalalabad, agrees
that Pakistan is trying to destabilise Afghanistan.
ABDUL GHAFOUR (Translation): Be they the Taliban, terrorists or al-Qa'ida,
we can fight them. Unfortunately they are sent over on a mission of destruction
and due to the short distance they cross back quickly. They're raised in Pakistan,
not here in Afghanistan.
He says the police arrest many Pakistani agents in Jalalabad. Pakistan
security forces have long supported the Taliban and, according to local police,
they still operate here.
GHAFOUR (Translation): Another good example is that approximately 1,200kg
of explosives and 5000 fuses were brought into Nagrahar through Pakistan. As
I said, they were brought in onion bags that we confiscated.
Behind me is the border between Afghanistan and Pakistan. The militants
who are seeking to disrupt the election and attack American forces are able
to cross very freely through the mountain passes behind me. On the other side
is Pakistan's tribal areas. Now the Pakistani military are unable or unwilling
to go into those areas to secure them and block the routes through which the
militants travel back and forth. And they say that Osama bin Laden himself is
actually seeking refuge in this area behind me.
On the same day I was filming at the border, Pakistan's President, Pervez Musharraf,
responded to international criticism and said he would erect a fence to keep
the militants from crossing. Looking at this terrain, it's an absurd suggestion.
He was merely paying lip-service to his backers in Washington.
I'm traveling to the neighbouring province of Kunar to get another perspective
on the war. In August the Taliban filmed this attack on a US army helicopter
near here. 16 marines died, along with three Navy SEALs that they were attempting
to rescue.
GUIDE (Translation): The American helicopter which was shot that was also
on the left side of us. Yes, you can see that now.
Less than an hour later, I'm going on a patrol down the same road with
the US Marines. They're hunting for insurgents who've been spotted not far from
here.
SOLDIER: A few insurgents coming, probably 80 - they're never really quite
sure how many. And if the insurgents are there and they wanna get into a fight,
then we'll bring the fight to them.
Although the casualty rate among US troops in Afghanistan is a lot
lower than Iraq, 200 have been killed so far - 82 of those this year alone.
Shortly after I left, these marines had their base attacked. One of their Humvees
was also blown up by an improvised explosive device or IED, seriously wounding
four marines.
The soldiers don't know where the enemy is but in this part of the country there
is a lot of contact. Stuck on the roads in their vehicles, they are often ambushed.
REPORTER: Can you tell us what's going on? What are you looking for?
SOLDIER: Anybody with weapons. They'll have lookouts up on the ridge lines
like this. And they'll start radioing in all the way down the valley to let
the guys now if there's an ambush set up or if they got guys working on the
road, they'll give them a heads-up from a long ways off. They usually see us
coming from miles away. They've been having fucking white puffs of smoke lately.
They've been doing that a lot.
REPORTER: So what are we doing now?
SOLDIER: We're gonna head up the road. We're gonna find out... We put a
patrol out here.
This is the place where the insurgents had been spotted and where local
police have arrested a man who had unusual homemade bomb or IED.
REPORTER: So he was caught with an IED, yeah?
SOLDIER: Oh, yes, he was caught with an IED. We're gonna bring some EOD
guys down and see what it's made out of and see if it was used in other further
attacks or past attacks and see what kind of stuff we are working with because
it was supposedly brought over from Pakistan.
CHRISTOPHER HAGAN: So it's the first... I've seen 0.82 mortar rounds, they're
everywhere around here but I've never seen one used like an IED. And this one,
it looks like it's a brand-new mortar round, probably from China so it's showing
they are using fresh explosives that they probably carried over from somewhere.
REPORTER: Yeah. So you think they come from Pakistan, these ones?
HAGAN: I don't...I don't know. I'll say I don't know.
Because Pakistan's involvement in the insurgency is politically sensitive,
the lieutenant couldn't admit what his men already had told me. Off-camera he
agreed it was obvious where the mortar, which had been wired to two landmines,
had come from. Later he also told me about a daring attack on his platoon just
two weeks earlier.
CHRISTOPHER HAGAN: That ambush was pretty wild, yeah. What was really strange
was it was the first time that they had shot at us from like very close. Normally
they shoot at us from like about 700m - it's like just right at the max range
of their weapons. These guys, a lot of them were pretty close. They were shooting
at us from houses, they were shooting at us from like cornfields, like everywhere
basically. They were using like little kids as distractors, because before we
went to the ambush site, before we got ambushed they had these like kids standing
in pairs up along the road. They looked kind of nervous. I mean, there's kids
everywhere and stuff but in this one part the kids tend to stay away from the
US forces but when we went there this one time they were kind of standing deliberately
and making it a point to shake each one of our hands. We were like, "OK,
what's going on?" and then they just opened up on us. And you know, pretty
wild.
There's no lie there is a pretty heavy enemy presence up in those mountains.
That's where all the enemy hides out because the terrain there is just so difficult
to operate in. Because, you know, a marine with his pack and everything will
be carrying literally over 100 pounds of gear and you've got these insurgents
who are just carrying, you know, like pyjamas and an AK, and they can run like
the wind, they know where to hide, they know all the trails and everything.
Unable to travel far from their fortified bases, the troops are resupplied
and flown in and out on choppers. One soldier told me he felt like he was fighting
on the moon.
Afghan President, Hamid Karzai, recently told journalists he didn't think there
was a need for US military activity in Afghanistan any longer and operations
such as house searches and air strikes should be curtailed.
But as this footage from photojournalist Stephen Dupont reveals, the US-led
operations are still being carried out. In the south, where these troops are
based, more than two dozen Afghan soldiers, 18 police, two US soldiers and five
aid workers have been killed in the last fortnight.
The response US troops are provoking with their psychological warfare
is set to continue well into the future and Australian troops operating from
the same base as these men will also be in the firing line.